Very first wish to share , these talks are not regular among us , its comes under rare talks and he serves real surprise package of happiness to me , So that i create this Blog , yesterday i talked with my son beautiful with nectar i received , sharing here....
What is Philosophy ? and why Science born and from where ? and how damaging half knowledge of philosophy ? and Blind following of application in ritual form of this half knowledge for betterment for society in different form in the name of para and to serve idols as toys in the hand of Innocents by leaders ,
Finally feels wow ! and brilliant it was total discussion .
please read below :
As first and last he stands on Philosophy is very old very primary language to communicate about some thing is mysterious without prove based on self exploration Individual and sincere followers get activated everywhere ( its a fact ) cos philosophy was stands on without physical legs , Science enters with legs of logic n proves . this way , Philosophy is comes from Heart and Science born from Brain .
So here we find only two major subject to world . than further division of subject is from here only . Philosophy busted in Beauty in form of performing Art + Culture + Religion + Spirituality and Science takes own path with branches .
After that he asked how many philosophy you know , i told him i read major two philosophies as subject Indian and western philosophy , rest of all Muslims ( but Muslims have different kind of thought about all one direction one pointer religion ) and chines or Japanese and more similar kind of other countries following Philosophies they do not have separate , than he said ,' your knowledge is half is not only Indian or western its how many groups are in world every one have their own philosophy , specially Muslims have deep thought Individually but they do not have or liberty to create Philosophies , to generate philosophy need certain relaxation In religion and which one they do not have , so that they have two types by religious division or Branches One is Shia and second is Sunni (is well known phenomena ) and other is divided with hot and cold weaves , hots are warriors and cold are Sufies . Under their religion / Philosophy of liberty is less deliberately (its different thing when mind rules over thought they create another mess according to their mental age and maturity ), at present same roots get finds in Bodhidharma ( though original Buddha teachings were against bloodshed and in favor of humanity ) they also have two popular dhara or weaves of hot and cold one is towards nirvana monks popular as Zen Monks and another is warriors Monks of Sanga group, they are producers of martial art , one is warrior another is total against of war ........ But prime Teacher was Budhha The Sidhartha with four noble truths and
The four noble truths are:
with no any early sign of bloodshed ..... even everyone knows the wounded pigeon story of Siddhartha childhood . Osho finds and says ,' Is it Chuang Tzu, the famous Taoist master or the butterfly that comes alive through these enchanted flutes and guitar melodies? '
Osho, excerpted from: Signatures on Water
and Zen: The Language of Existence
In Hindus also we have Historical evidences of wars and blood shed angry-man and warriors sages eg; parashuram and others and even few liberty in religion in form of slaughtering also ( meaning and purpose may be varied ) visible in area vise for example in Bengal Kali temple and in Assam kamakhya temple and with this one is tantrik dhara in Hinduism is stands on slaughtering with other rituals . their is big gap between reality and followings ( in actual there is Vigyan bhairav tantra comes direct from Shiva's voice or divine talks through Sages voice describes in detail and purpose of tantra , in any way one can understand but here it is out of subject so we will discus through some other note ) . Apart of all realities ; Hindus and or Other Western religion have had certain liberties to express so everyone is free to mold according their personal philosophies ( not good or nor bad cos every thought born for good but messed after manage by minds ) and every one have historical evidences of their Roots and Philosophies , like China have own Russia have own , Japan have own roots , gulf have their own roots .
Now come to basic point of birth of science is the result of Uncertainties of religion (so that you also Will be heard that in very past Only religion was exist under Humanity rest of all were branches of religion and philosophies , so that that time Head Guru and their Gurukul were exist for who have command of all subjects including weapons trainers , spiritual guidance and art music and other performing art Including prime n best architectural designs comes under vishvakarma , Science and Maths, all subjects were comes under One roof of Gurukul in One Mother subject of Philosophy . Recalling Osho verdicts not same but putting essence,'" Art n Music in all three form basically born for and of from temples, first sound was Naad of damaru and veena of Shiva .' primary paintings was for gods n goddesses or (later ) kings and forts added sculptures was for god n goddesses or temple making (later ) kings and forts added ,"
why ! he says so ! ever you think , he was learned most educated person i found on earth equivalent of J. Krishnamurti (though intelligence is for self not comparable) because all subjects were comes under Mother Subject of Philosophy and this Mother was take care By Spiritual Religious Philosopher minds , they called by the name of Guru .
With the flow of human race developments Prime Subject Philosophy get divided in philosophy Religion and even now Spirituality get divided as free subject ! you may understand with live example in modern medical field ; before medical was also a part of Mother Philosophy in the name of Ayurved but later it comes as three parts Homeopathy Ayurveda and Modern Medical Sciences , now at present popular medical is further divided in many branches and subbranches of as Masters of tiny human body (child , male or female total get separated not gender even their body parts get separated ) and Surgery itself complete filed . Same with Art and other subjects eg; some one get master in Instruments someone in vocal some one in dance someone in painting and some one in designs , some one in sculpturing ...... Now ; here we come on basic again is Oldest rebellious child of Mother Philosophy is Science Only .... we find during discussion the links of this long chain ,' Gradually in developments Science get uneasy with the hypothetical or Intuitive portion of Philosophy (psychology is in middle of both much intuitive but works on proves on human mental experiments ) but Science ; it can not be absurd or irrelevantly divided and very systematic cos it stands on parameters of Formulas / proves ; as Science dealt with logical brains alike mathematicians , Physics , chemistry and Biology , . so that ; in development or evolution of subjects Science appears total separate subject from Philosophy ( in Indian context )
As gist :
he took me on that stage where i find only two major subjects with all beauty of their existence : One is Philosophy (as mother of all subjects governs Heart and another is to deal with uncertainties of Zero Ground Science is there.
and i am thinking merely some thing more here , if really we want to use our brain if we really claim our self as Intellectuals , those are in proud they all know depth of subject ; should have to work for against over the period of time spread mental mess and blind believes or beliefs by creating from half-half knowledgeable fellows .
Actually both Parent subjects are pure and beautiful and for Humanity , but some how both are handled some extremist by wrong intentions .
What is Philosophy ? and why Science born and from where ? and how damaging half knowledge of philosophy ? and Blind following of application in ritual form of this half knowledge for betterment for society in different form in the name of para and to serve idols as toys in the hand of Innocents by leaders ,
Finally feels wow ! and brilliant it was total discussion .
pic sharing for this fruitful discussion
( be with always natural divine shine and wisdom )
( Idols are Deep , Meaningful and Symbolic but to understand them need extra sensitivity to understand depth of philosophy , They are not just for blind worship and hom and arati in closed eyes in temples , more deeper whatever we understands commonly )
( Idols are Deep , Meaningful and Symbolic but to understand them need extra sensitivity to understand depth of philosophy , They are not just for blind worship and hom and arati in closed eyes in temples , more deeper whatever we understands commonly )
please read below :
As first and last he stands on Philosophy is very old very primary language to communicate about some thing is mysterious without prove based on self exploration Individual and sincere followers get activated everywhere ( its a fact ) cos philosophy was stands on without physical legs , Science enters with legs of logic n proves . this way , Philosophy is comes from Heart and Science born from Brain .
So here we find only two major subject to world . than further division of subject is from here only . Philosophy busted in Beauty in form of performing Art + Culture + Religion + Spirituality and Science takes own path with branches .
After that he asked how many philosophy you know , i told him i read major two philosophies as subject Indian and western philosophy , rest of all Muslims ( but Muslims have different kind of thought about all one direction one pointer religion ) and chines or Japanese and more similar kind of other countries following Philosophies they do not have separate , than he said ,' your knowledge is half is not only Indian or western its how many groups are in world every one have their own philosophy , specially Muslims have deep thought Individually but they do not have or liberty to create Philosophies , to generate philosophy need certain relaxation In religion and which one they do not have , so that they have two types by religious division or Branches One is Shia and second is Sunni (is well known phenomena ) and other is divided with hot and cold weaves , hots are warriors and cold are Sufies . Under their religion / Philosophy of liberty is less deliberately (its different thing when mind rules over thought they create another mess according to their mental age and maturity ), at present same roots get finds in Bodhidharma ( though original Buddha teachings were against bloodshed and in favor of humanity ) they also have two popular dhara or weaves of hot and cold one is towards nirvana monks popular as Zen Monks and another is warriors Monks of Sanga group, they are producers of martial art , one is warrior another is total against of war ........ But prime Teacher was Budhha The Sidhartha with four noble truths and
The four noble truths are:
- The truth of dukkha (suffering, anxiety, unsatisfactoriness)
- The truth of the origin of dukkha
- The truth of the cessation of dukkha
- The truth of the path leading to the cessation of dukkha
with no any early sign of bloodshed ..... even everyone knows the wounded pigeon story of Siddhartha childhood . Osho finds and says ,' Is it Chuang Tzu, the famous Taoist master or the butterfly that comes alive through these enchanted flutes and guitar melodies? '
Osho, excerpted from: Signatures on Water
and Zen: The Language of Existence
In Hindus also we have Historical evidences of wars and blood shed angry-man and warriors sages eg; parashuram and others and even few liberty in religion in form of slaughtering also ( meaning and purpose may be varied ) visible in area vise for example in Bengal Kali temple and in Assam kamakhya temple and with this one is tantrik dhara in Hinduism is stands on slaughtering with other rituals . their is big gap between reality and followings ( in actual there is Vigyan bhairav tantra comes direct from Shiva's voice or divine talks through Sages voice describes in detail and purpose of tantra , in any way one can understand but here it is out of subject so we will discus through some other note ) . Apart of all realities ; Hindus and or Other Western religion have had certain liberties to express so everyone is free to mold according their personal philosophies ( not good or nor bad cos every thought born for good but messed after manage by minds ) and every one have historical evidences of their Roots and Philosophies , like China have own Russia have own , Japan have own roots , gulf have their own roots .
Now come to basic point of birth of science is the result of Uncertainties of religion (so that you also Will be heard that in very past Only religion was exist under Humanity rest of all were branches of religion and philosophies , so that that time Head Guru and their Gurukul were exist for who have command of all subjects including weapons trainers , spiritual guidance and art music and other performing art Including prime n best architectural designs comes under vishvakarma , Science and Maths, all subjects were comes under One roof of Gurukul in One Mother subject of Philosophy . Recalling Osho verdicts not same but putting essence,'" Art n Music in all three form basically born for and of from temples, first sound was Naad of damaru and veena of Shiva .' primary paintings was for gods n goddesses or (later ) kings and forts added sculptures was for god n goddesses or temple making (later ) kings and forts added ,"
why ! he says so ! ever you think , he was learned most educated person i found on earth equivalent of J. Krishnamurti (though intelligence is for self not comparable) because all subjects were comes under Mother Subject of Philosophy and this Mother was take care By Spiritual Religious Philosopher minds , they called by the name of Guru .
With the flow of human race developments Prime Subject Philosophy get divided in philosophy Religion and even now Spirituality get divided as free subject ! you may understand with live example in modern medical field ; before medical was also a part of Mother Philosophy in the name of Ayurved but later it comes as three parts Homeopathy Ayurveda and Modern Medical Sciences , now at present popular medical is further divided in many branches and subbranches of as Masters of tiny human body (child , male or female total get separated not gender even their body parts get separated ) and Surgery itself complete filed . Same with Art and other subjects eg; some one get master in Instruments someone in vocal some one in dance someone in painting and some one in designs , some one in sculpturing ...... Now ; here we come on basic again is Oldest rebellious child of Mother Philosophy is Science Only .... we find during discussion the links of this long chain ,' Gradually in developments Science get uneasy with the hypothetical or Intuitive portion of Philosophy (psychology is in middle of both much intuitive but works on proves on human mental experiments ) but Science ; it can not be absurd or irrelevantly divided and very systematic cos it stands on parameters of Formulas / proves ; as Science dealt with logical brains alike mathematicians , Physics , chemistry and Biology , . so that ; in development or evolution of subjects Science appears total separate subject from Philosophy ( in Indian context )
As gist :
he took me on that stage where i find only two major subjects with all beauty of their existence : One is Philosophy (as mother of all subjects governs Heart and another is to deal with uncertainties of Zero Ground Science is there.
and i am thinking merely some thing more here , if really we want to use our brain if we really claim our self as Intellectuals , those are in proud they all know depth of subject ; should have to work for against over the period of time spread mental mess and blind believes or beliefs by creating from half-half knowledgeable fellows .
Actually both Parent subjects are pure and beautiful and for Humanity , but some how both are handled some extremist by wrong intentions .
every one must have familiar of mental age and physical age of human being . so do not get misguided by under-developed mind , think yourself for you ! for humanity ! for essence of life ! is real motive of Birth , to do best for humanity .
those are busy in serving harm by any means, by thought , by guidance , being a parent being a leaders (Political or Spiritual or religious )........ of-course they are not mentally mature .
* keep your master sense with you alive ; don't think if Logic comes from domination by anyone upon your mind ; is correct , Not at all ; also keep own outlook who is involves in logic ; are they mentally adult and matured !
Only one religion is for earth is Simply live good and do for good !
be wise & be safe .
(ps; i am deeply thankful to my son for this ultimate discussion, thank you beloved Antriksh, blessings and best wishes always with you )
those are busy in serving harm by any means, by thought , by guidance , being a parent being a leaders (Political or Spiritual or religious )........ of-course they are not mentally mature .
* keep your master sense with you alive ; don't think if Logic comes from domination by anyone upon your mind ; is correct , Not at all ; also keep own outlook who is involves in logic ; are they mentally adult and matured !
Only one religion is for earth is Simply live good and do for good !
be wise & be safe .
(ps; i am deeply thankful to my son for this ultimate discussion, thank you beloved Antriksh, blessings and best wishes always with you )
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